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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist among us and

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sometimes they win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare i think you're

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of phantasm monsters

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where we explore the strange in the

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unexplained i'm your host lon strickler

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needed and appreciated so tonight

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before i introduce tonight's guest

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we're gonna do something a little bit

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different

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uh we're going to have an opening party

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if you want to call it that that's what

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it was told to me what it was but uh

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and this is going to be to present my

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order

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of original prints from our friend

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artist sam sheeran

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uh you know i was hooked on sam's work

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ever since i saw his amazing cover work

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uh that he had been used on many of

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david weatherly's books

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and when sam created the chicago mothman

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piece well you know i had to have one so

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i'm going to have one i'm going to put

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it up on my wall and i plan to display

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much of sam's art

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in the future so um now you can order

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at

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he has also started a youtube channel

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where

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you can observe sam create his art

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and his channel is featured on the

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phantoms of monsters radio youtube

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channel page so

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i hope i don't cut myself

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we're gonna um

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very nicely

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[Applause]

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wow sam nothing's gonna happen to this

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well packed

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let's move things out

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he threw a few ones a few extra ones in

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right on top

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is

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the chicago mothman

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beautiful

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uh the sizes of these prints are 12x17

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with the uh i think that's about an inch

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border on there somewhere like that

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i think this was designed was also used

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on um

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when the advertising

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flyers that um

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the small town monsters used in their

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oh what is this

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now this is an interesting one

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maybe vincent can look onto the website

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and tell me what the um

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what the

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name of the print is but it's um

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may be the vietnamese

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bat woman or the vietnamese human flying

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uh y'all don't know that story

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uh during the vietnam war

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that they that's what they called the

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vietnamese or the uh

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the point pleasant moth man you can see

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very nice

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boy sam sam does a great job on this

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stuff

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and we had the lawndale

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very cool

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now sam's got all these prints and

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many more

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up on his website again it's mr

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um this is like a pterodon

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that's so cool

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i should know what this oh is this the

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uh is this the van meter visitor i think

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from van meter iowa

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the book that was written by chad lewis

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now here's a new one by sam he just

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did this about a month or so ago i'm

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glad he threw it in here

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the uh the fresno night walker or he

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calls it the night strider

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that goes right along with my uh

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meme humanoid book

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and of course another part of the book

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included the um

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i wrote a bit about that as well

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yeah folks if you uh if you want your

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own print go in there look at the um

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look at the variety he has

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uh he also has done some zodiac

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figures and a few other

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well-known cryptids maybe a few other

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very very cool

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hold on i'm gonna put you i don't want

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to bend them up so i'm gonna go ahead

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but i plan on continuing to uh

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bring his art we're all you know when

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the holidays come up

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every year sam puts out a uh

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we uh

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we purchased them last year

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and handed them out to associates and

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friends

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and they were very much appreciated so

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um sam

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great again great work

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i am so glad

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to have you associated with us

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and i'm gonna start putting them up

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behind me here when i get them get them

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framed out

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so again that's uh mr sam sheeran.com

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and um go to the website and look it up

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it's cool website

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very easy to order

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i'm sure you'll find something there you

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so

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tonight's guest is daniel allen jones

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who is the host and producer

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of the vortex a show that explores the

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mysteries of the world and beyond

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daniel has been researching unexplained

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phenomena for over a decade

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and has investigated strange sites

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conducted numerous interviews and

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provided media coverage for several

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events

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the online groups he manages including

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include both the texas ufo network

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the texas cryptozoology network and

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others

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daniel took part in the 2021 trinity

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giant salamander expedition

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in search of the elusive cryptid

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purported to exist in pacific northwest

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while also visiting the patterson-giblin

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film site at in bluff creek california

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he is a professional musician who plays

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and teaches drums around the dallas fort

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worth metroplex

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his newest book aurora 125 years of ufos

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aliens and a texas legend from 1897

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chronicles over a century of ufo

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sightings and alien encounters in texas

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and we are going to be talking about

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that tonight and

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hey look good to be here it's an honor

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to be able to join you and be on the

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show i'm excited to be able to share a

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little bit about aurora and i'm sure a

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lot of the

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guests who

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tune in frequently are familiar with

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this case but you know i'm looking

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forward to sharing it because of this

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anniversary here at the

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you know 125th anniversary is a great

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way to kind of celebrate and acknowledge

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and chronicle this interesting case

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throughout the years and i'm really glad

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you also

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did a really cool tribute and uh you

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know opening of sam's work i'm a big fan

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of sam's as well which is really cool

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that uh you got to open up some of those

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prints there he actually inspired me to

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do the artwork for

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the piece that you're seeing here on the

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screen because i really think that his

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hyper realism that you know the realism

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to his approach is just so striking and

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dramatic i thought wow i want to be able

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to you know capture

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just a you know

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some kind of uh

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way to show that and depict it with the

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aurora incident so here's what i threw

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together for the cover of the

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publication that i'm uh involved with

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here with aurora and so i'm honored to

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be able to be here with you alon and all

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of your listeners great to be here well

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we're we're really privileged to have

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you we thank you for coming on

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this uh this phenomena now you know i

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had known about this for a while

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but i guess the first time i really saw

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it presented was with the old ufo

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hunters tv show

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and uh

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it's kind of a wild story

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uh basically a uh a ufo or craft hits a

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water mill and crashes into either

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cemetery or nearby cemetery and it's

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actually

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there was a being that was supposedly

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found and it's buried there so why don't

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you tell us the story itself and uh

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yeah glad to so what i find interesting

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about this case this historic case you

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know over a century old now is that a

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lot of people who i've encountered over

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the years they know bits and pieces they

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know this part of that part something

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about the windmill or the grave but

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there's actually a lot to the story in

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this legend that i think is really

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fascinating and how it may

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really give us an idea about what

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ufologists or any ufo hunters are really

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trying to find today so as the story

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goes

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in the 1800s you know we're really told

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that there wasn't supposed to be

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anything up in the sky nothing really

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known to be flying around by

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conventional standards and that the

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wright brothers really didn't come into

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the scene until 1903 with the flyer

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right so it's really interesting to

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consider that anything would have been

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up in the sky uh much less crashing down

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and all of this so it seems like there

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are some interesting groups maybe

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producing these secret inventions some

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uh you know some people describe this

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group called nimza or the sonora aero

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club

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which may have been a group of you know

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elite engineers or inventors who were

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trying to come up with ways to make

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lighter-than-air craft and i think that

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there could be something to that

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although this particular story with

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aurora depicts something a little bit

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more

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uh inhuman and i think that that's uh

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really an interesting concept because

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when we're dealing with the late

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19th century and getting into

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what seems to be the case with

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early aviation uh it's something that it

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makes us wonder

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what would have been possible for any of

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these types of uh

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hot air balloons these durgibles these

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blimps these zephyrs zeppelins whatever

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might have been actually around

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and how that could be different than

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what this story is about so getting into

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the late 1800s into the

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1870s really 1870s 80s and 90s you start

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having what are known as airships appear

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and i'll mention this quickly because i

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think it's an important part about what

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we're dealing with even today you know

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uh we just had the

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uh anniversary of kenneth arnold's

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siding up at mount rainier washington of

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these crescent-shaped objects which he

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described moved in a saucer type

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pattern and that got spun in the media

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to what we now have is the trope of

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flying saucers so what's really

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interesting to consider is that while he

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was not describing the orientation or

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shape of these

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objects these unknown aerial phenomena

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that he witnessed but this is something

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that pretty much got uh it stuck and we

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call these things flying saucers but

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back in 1878 and denison texas up by the

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red river by the border of texas and

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oklahoma you have a farmer who describes

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something that he saw which actually

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looked like a flying saucer and so here

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in texas maybe we can claim steak to

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having been you know the first to

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attribute that name to the shape of a

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craft rather than its motion or movement

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so i thought that was an interesting

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part about uh you know ufo history going

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back before modern aviation but even

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beyond that

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here in texas you have all kinds of

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mystery lights and things like in marfa

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or the saratoga light which are very

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mysterious but these don't seem to be

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articulated craft so getting past some

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of these interesting mystery lights or

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orbs

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later in

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you have the 1890s and 1896 1897 you

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have what's known as the great aerial

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wanderer or the great airship mystery

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and a lot has been written about these

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cases but i think one that stands out

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probably the most out of all of them

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perhaps if not the single most important

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airship mystery is the as you can see

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the aurora

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ufo crash of 1897. now

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this is an interesting story because

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there's a lot of uh confusion about the

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origins and really how this got spread

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around or if there's any validity to it

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if it was all a hoax or if it's the real

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deal and you know it's very interesting

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of course i wasn't there and no one who

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was there is alive now so it's really

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hard to track down

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some of these types of uh things to

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really pinpoint what was going on but

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having spent a great deal of time with

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my buddy the late jim mars i think it's

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really important to see that

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while he was able to talk with some

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people who were alive well it happened

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there aren't any more today so we can

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just go off of what was reported at the

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time

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what researchers like jim mars had been

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able to track down and research but as

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the story goes

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uh the early morning of april 17th in

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1897

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there was an object a metallic

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cigar-shaped object that came

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down from the south that seemed to be in

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distress crashing down into judge

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proctor's windmill water tower

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and well and crashed into a brilliant

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explosion sending debris apparently

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scattering for acres

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and it destroyed his flower garden and

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there was a sort of a ruse in the town

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it got a lot of people's attention and

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they all came and wanted to check out

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what had happened and so

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something exploded and i think that

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according to the story it got enough

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attention that people came from all over

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the area to see what happened and what

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this calamity must have been

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some people were deterred from coming to

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view and some people described their

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parents coming to see what may have been

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wreckage but either way it said that

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this object that was a cigar shape came

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crashing down into a windmill connected

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to a well house and water tower

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exploded and not only left a large

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amount of metallic debris

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but they also found what seemed to be

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the remains of one occupant

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supposedly the pilot of this craft this

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airship

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and what's really interesting is that

403
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the newspaper which seemed to repeat the

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story which was purported to have been

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written in

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the aurora newspaper which

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it may have not even existed but there

408
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seems to be some discrepancy if that one

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actually existed or not but either way

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it was

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re-produced in the dallas morning news

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and in something called the fort worth

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register which basically repeated the

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story saying that this object crashed

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the occupant

416
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was found or at least the remains

417
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and uh enough of the remains which

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seemed to be badly disfigured enough

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were found to determine that it was

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quote not an inhabitant of this world

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um and i think that's such an

422
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interesting notion to consider that in

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1897 anyone would have considered

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something like that um and it's also

425
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said that t.j weems who they had

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considered a

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uh an expert in astronomy

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considered that this was

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an inhabitant of the planet mars and

430
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that they also found papers

431
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uh that described his travels but the

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papers had strange hieroglyphic writing

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that he assumed maybe

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told about where this uh ship had been

435
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traveling and going

436
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and so while i think that that's a

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pretty fantastic tale

438
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even more so they gathered up the the

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remains of this body and brought it down

440
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the street literally to the local

441
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cemetery and gave it a formal christian

442
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burial

443
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and here it is uh in this early tabloid

444
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which of course admittedly many were

445
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written to simply sell papers and write

446
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,559
fantastic stories but another

447
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,320
interesting aspect of this whole tale is

448
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,799
that it was not on the front page and it

449
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,760
wasn't a standalone isolated incident

450
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this was one of over a dozen airship

451
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,200
reports in that same newspaper you can

452
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,799
actually see i've got a

453
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a reproduction here you can kind of tell

454
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,400
or at least if you can make out of

455
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,559
highlighted where the aurora one

456
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,480
actually is here in the middle but the

457
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,400
interesting thing is is almost every

458
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:39,360
other

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00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,400
column here

460
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,960
depicts these airship reports or

461
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,200
mysteries from all around the state of

462
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,000
texas and so while this one i think the

463
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,240
aurora story stands out the most out of

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all of them and depicts somewhat of a

465
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more

466
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,520
otherworldly aspects to it many of the

467
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,280
other airship stories depicted something

468
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,840
more or less of a dirigible or something

469
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,080
with propellers and wings

470
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,520
um and portals for maybe the crew to be

471
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,280
able to kind of utilize as maybe we

472
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:08,640
would see in

473
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,480
recent airships as far as you know 10 20

474
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,360
years afterward and so this one seems to

475
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,559
be something

476
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,480
a little bit different because of the

477
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,120
notion it has an otherworldly aspect to

478
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it so that is the initial tale something

479
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,760
crashed apparently exploded debris

480
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,280
scattered everywhere

481
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,960
not only did this debris go everywhere

482
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,400
but they gathered up the townsville

483
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,240
gathered up what they could and

484
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,159
discarded much of it it was said that

485
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much of it was

486
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carried away from the town probably on

487
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horse and carriage and buggy um and then

488
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,600
much of it was also discarded and thrown

489
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down the well which was connected to

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that windmill so

491
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,720
there are a lot of things that have

492
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,559
happened since then but there's a great

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portion from that time in the next few

494
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decades which are very much a shadowy

495
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area that's hard to make sense of but i

496
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,520
managed to track down some historical

497
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:58,880
records that show that there was

498
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interest before the next big step in the

499
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,240
investigative process which wouldn't

500
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,880
have occurred until the 70s so that's

501
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,640
apparently how the initial story took

502
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,039
place and whether it happened or not is

503
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:14,880
still widely debated even today

504
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,950
so aurora is northwest of fort worth

505
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about 20 minutes or

506
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about an hour

507
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northwest of dallas

508
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not really even up toward oklahoma it's

509
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it's not something that you know uh most

510
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,120
people would recognize on a map because

511
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it's such a small town that you drive

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right through it if you didn't know

513
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,120
where you were going

514
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and it's just

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20 or so 30 miles northwest of fort

516
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worth

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familiar with the dfw airport one of the

518
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largest airports in the world

519
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,640
then

520
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,559
it's not too far it's within an hour

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drive from that airport

522
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:00,559
you know it's interesting

523
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:03,919
uh now you stated that this craft had a

524
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,990
apparently the early reports claimed

525
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that that's the orientation of the craft

526
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,600
and as far as what i could track down

527
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,520
it's really difficult to really make

528
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:19,760
sense of where that comes from outside

529
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,400
of the original reports uh in the dallas

530
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,480
morning news which again really just

531
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,799
repeated a story it said it got from the

532
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:29,200
aurora newspaper

533
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,159
okay

534
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,320
interesting because i have had reports

535
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,679
in the past

536
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,720
uh

537
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:35,440
of

538
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,960
uh

539
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,960
well mostly the past 30 years i'm just

540
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,559
wondering if there have been other

541
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,559
sightings of something similar to that

542
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:56,000
or something similar to what you're

543
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:03,029
right well i think so um there are a lot

544
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,919
of

545
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,159
or at least a few decent statistical

546
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,960
analysis of whatever types of

547
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,440
orientation or shapes that ufos have

548
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,520
been reported in

549
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,520
and in various organizations and

550
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,200
independent researchers

551
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,279
mufon would be one of the mufon has

552
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,559
attempted to

553
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,320
really make sense of this case over the

554
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,039
years and i think that it's one of those

555
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,679
that uh you know if you look back at

556
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,200
some of the original

557
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,919
investigation reports and those done by

558
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,159
john schussler they really tried to make

559
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,000
sense of not only the

560
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,840
historical record but also what was

561
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,000
still obtainable in the field going out

562
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,840
to the property and location which i've

563
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,760
been on a number of times now and i

564
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,000
think that with other than the word of

565
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,080
mouth and the story in the newspaper and

566
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,000
the anecdotes that you have there there

567
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,080
seems to be some kind of indication that

568
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,679
metallic debris

569
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,520
seems to have been embedded not only in

570
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,039
the ground and trees but maybe even

571
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,760
within the grave as well so i think that

572
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,000
if you look at this story and its full

573
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,640
capacity but you also look at the array

574
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,520
of reports throughout the last century

575
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,760
perhaps just in the state of texas uh

576
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:11,279
you have a lot of different shapes you

577
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,360
have i think the most recent flap of

578
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,159
a sighting as sometimes we say in the

579
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,480
field of ufology is that of the

580
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,200
stephenville incident back in 2008 where

581
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,480
an enormous

582
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,799
what uh my buddy steve hudgins would say

583
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,679
a flying walmart came through um to

584
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,600
basically you know everyone's surprise

585
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,679
and i don't know that it was necessarily

586
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,520
the same as what we think may have

587
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,279
happened in aurora but something seems

588
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,200
to garner the interest of

589
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,440
the local air base and enough to send up

590
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,520
some f6 16s and i think that's one of

591
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,440
the interesting things that we can see

592
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,600
is a much more modern case but

593
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,640
throughout the years there are

594
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,720
definitely a number of

595
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,520
ufo encounters reports

596
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,840
stories and experiences from

597
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,360
you know many different

598
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,559
angles and i think that it's really

599
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,279
important to see now that we have radar

600
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,720
you have all these different ways to

601
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,840
detect

602
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,320
aerial phenomena outside of word of

603
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,480
mouth it gives much more credence to

604
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,159
these historical cases where there

605
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,520
wasn't really any technological

606
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,600
sophistication to allow for

607
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,240
such an investigation to be done what's

608
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,000
really interesting though is that

609
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,399
throughout the years after a number of

610
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,360
years actually up into the 40s a new

611
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:25,520
family moved on to that property having

612
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,880
no idea and would describe troves as

613
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,559
people coming up and wanting to ask

614
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,360
about the alien spaceship and the crash

615
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,520
and all these things and to which their

616
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,799
surprise they really didn't know

617
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,640
anything and they learned inadvertently

618
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,559
because of these people

619
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,159
they actually

620
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,799
it seems took whatever debris and mel uh

621
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,039
metal was in the well out

622
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,880
and used the well for drinking and

623
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,960
drinking water and things for a number

624
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,120
of years about another decade

625
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:55,360
and the unfortunate thing is that later

626
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,320
on

627
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,399
they attribute a lot of their health

628
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,520
defects and maladies to having drink

629
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,640
this water which they described was

630
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,679
poisoned uh by that alien in his

631
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,520
spaceship and there we have there's

632
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,720
braley oates from the oats family as he

633
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,360
appeared in 1973 which is when the the

634
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,960
next investigation

635
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,640
would have taken place

636
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,039
and you have uh aviation writer for the

637
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,279
dallas morning news as well as

638
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,559
the mufon

639
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,520
coordinator bill case who went

640
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,720
n73 along with jim mars and a number of

641
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,399
other people from the international ufo

642
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,520
bureau and mufon to try to make sense of

643
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,200
what happened there

644
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,480
even at that point many decades earlier

645
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,760
and at that point they found the

646
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,679
headstone they attempted to locate the

647
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,320
original headstone which is a really

648
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,480
interesting notion today uh but the

649
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,880
original headstone seems to be a broken

650
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,840
portion of stone that has an etching of

651
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,399
some kind of shape that jim suspected if

652
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,720
you had another mirroring image part to

653
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,799
the stone that you would see a full

654
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,000
possible

655
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,919
cylindrical shape that could have been

656
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,679
uh could have been a depiction of the

657
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,120
original craft

658
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,559
and

659
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:10,799
the interesting thing is is that hayden

660
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,919
hughes with the international ufo bureau

661
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:16,080
and a number of other investigators who

662
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,880
came

663
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,039
ready to try to you know understand

664
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,760
what's going on with this case this

665
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,159
historic case ready to dig up what could

666
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:26,799
have been that alien grave they tried to

667
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,120
take all the legal

668
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,240
steps necessary to exhume the body

669
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,720
and i know this is a big part about what

670
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:36,880
is often asked when we're dealing with

671
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,919
this case the aurora legend why is it

672
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,679
someone dug up that body

673
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,600
now half a century ago there was an

674
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,919
attempt to do so legally but the aurora

675
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,520
cemetery association threatened to

676
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,679
counter anyone who came digging with a

677
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,760
lawsuit saying that number one we don't

678
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,360
want anyone to

679
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,520
accidentally dig up grandma

680
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,799
and we don't want to bring up any

681
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:58,000
hazardous

682
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,880
um

683
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,480
you know diseases back because

684
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,720
unfortunately they had a bad fever right

685
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:05,120
before all of this and not to mention

686
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,840
that

687
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:08,080
kind of putting things into context

688
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,519
aurora at the time had a number of

689
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,919
saloons it was sort of a you know up and

690
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,640
come town but the railroad passed it and

691
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,080
so everyone was hoping that maybe they'd

692
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,600
have some you know a boost in the

693
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,320
economy but because it passed the town

694
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,399
it became somewhat of a ghost town and a

695
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,840
lot of people were dying because of this

696
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,880
disease

697
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:25,679
so

698
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,360
considered that the aurora legend was a

699
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,039
hoax was because they wanted to boost

700
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,279
tourism just the economy get people you

701
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,120
know back into aurora and get things up

702
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,559
and running again and i think that

703
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,159
that's really an interesting idea to

704
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,279
concoct a story of an otherworldly being

705
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,640
in order to

706
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,320
you know in an attempt to boost the town

707
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,240
why not say we struck gold or better yet

708
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,320
we're in texas we struck oil you know

709
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,880
but no an alien and it's spaceship and

710
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,399
technically they didn't even say alien

711
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:55,120
they just said a uh you know a martian

712
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,000
so

713
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,440
you know one of the the interesting

714
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,120
tropes that i've looked into when

715
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,039
researching this topic is that of the

716
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,960
what we call the little green men which

717
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,039
has been used as a way to discredit

718
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,919
early ufologists and ufo researchers and

719
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,000
anyone who's looking into this for

720
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,760
decades right but the interesting thing

721
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,360
is just that little green men had been

722
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,880
used for

723
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,600
uh a long time before its association in

724
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,320
the early 1900s with extraterrestrial

725
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,000
life and martians

726
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,840
but the closest relation we have is that

727
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,720
this

728
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,200
guy named guy named tj williams said

729
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,279
that it was a martian to his

730
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,720
understanding which you know that could

731
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,640
have totally been made up as well

732
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,360
so

733
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,880
because of how

734
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,919
the grave situation became a focal point

735
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,760
for investigators all the way down into

736
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,360
the 70s

737
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,840
it became such a sensation that

738
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,760
newspapers were spinning it with

739
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,679
headlines and just garnering the

740
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,519
interests of people all around and once

741
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,440
again probably for the better part of

742
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,519
selling tabloids in newspapers and

743
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,799
write-ups

744
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,880
interestingly enough as ironic as that

745
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,279
sounds it really um showcased the

746
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,960
division of the town and of people

747
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,720
in the community itself trying to make

748
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,559
sense of this happened or it didn't

749
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,960
happen they were there they weren't or

750
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,399
they were it happened or they were and

751
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,159
it didn't happen and so even throughout

752
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,519
the the se the 60s and 70s

753
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,640
past the advent of project blue book

754
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,799
which apparently there just seemed to be

755
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,399
some indication that

756
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,720
people posing as government agents had

757
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,519
come into the town as early as the 50s

758
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,240
and 60s to intimidate people and inquire

759
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,000
about the metallic debris that people

760
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,600
have been keeping in shoe boxes and

761
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,120
things like this so

762
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,279
that's very speculative but apparently

763
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,360
there does seem to be some some rumored

764
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,039
uh indication that that had happened and

765
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,000
maybe an association with blue book um

766
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,480
early on you know with dr jalen heineck

767
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,440
and the air force's early attempt at uh

768
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,440
maybe not only discrediting the ufo

769
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,519
issue but also maybe misdirecting it

770
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,440
overall the interesting thing with all

771
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:57,919
of this is that soon after this initial

772
00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:00,559
investigation the cemetery declining any

773
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,679
attempt at exhuming the supposed

774
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,720
extraterrestrial body

775
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:07,279
they put on a cemetery watch for a few

776
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,079
weeks

777
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,320
which kept anyone barring anyone out of

778
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:12,159
the cemetery but as soon as that watch

779
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,119
ended

780
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,040
the gravestone went missing and three

781
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,320
drill hole

782
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,639
marks were found in the grave

783
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,879
and when jim mars asked his buddy bill

784
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,839
case

785
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,320
what he thought who we thought did it he

786
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,480
said the government and unfortunately

787
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,119
bill passed away a year after that and

788
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,040
just a few years later in 76 a

789
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:34,000
historical marker was erected there at

790
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,510
um

791
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,839
now more recently has there been any

792
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,159
tangible evidence found

793
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,159
other you know other than anecdotal

794
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:50,480
evidence uh anything tangible have been

795
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,069
well i think that because of how

796
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,839
much interest this

797
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,560
was able to produce and generate

798
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,560
and really grab people's attention from

799
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,040
that initial investigation

800
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,599
that interest never died down maybe here

801
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,000
and there but going into the 80s

802
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,119
it even got enough attention for a b or

803
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:18,000
even c film to be made called the aurora

804
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,119
encounter

805
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,560
what i think is really interesting about

806
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:23,119
this is that getting into more recent

807
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,040
times um while that movie was just a fun

808
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,839
and more fictionalized portrayal of the

809
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,320
alien not just crashing and dying and

810
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,800
exploding um but that this being got out

811
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,040
and walked around and wandered the town

812
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,480
and interacted and mingled with

813
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,760
townsfolk and it had special abilities

814
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,359
and i'll just mention quickly that the

815
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:45,200
actor who played the alien as you can

816
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,640
see here in the picture his name was

817
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,760
mickey hayes and he had progeria which

818
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,359
uh you know was this

819
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,000
sort of disfiguring condition which a

820
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,760
lot of people had wondered why they

821
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:57,680
would make him play an alien that seems

822
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,119
so disrespectful but in reality mickey

823
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,800
as a a

824
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,920
a young man

825
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:06,400
actually just a boy at the time his

826
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,280
wish

827
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,720
foundation was to play in a hollywood

828
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,440
movie and so probably because of the you

829
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,880
know trying to write on the tail and

830
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:16,960
success of the et movie which had come

831
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,240
out just prior um this aurora encounter

832
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,720
movie i think helped to inspire this

833
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,240
jack elims probably the most well-known

834
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,720
star of that movie as well and uh and so

835
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,720
this is something i think that continued

836
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,280
to generate interest up into the 90s and

837
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,200
i'll just mention this because

838
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,560
the 90s really presented ufology with a

839
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,119
number of other prevalent cases that i

840
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,640
think are really important to consider

841
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,200
because of how it relates back to

842
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:44,720
investigating

843
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,079
all older historical cases in a way that

844
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,480
maybe wasn't available at the time

845
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,880
especially you know before

846
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,200
the you know 20th century and so what's

847
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,280
more relevant with us now in getting up

848
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,680
into the modern time frame is that

849
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,480
the the 100th anniversary of the aurora

850
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
legend would have been 1997.

851
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,440
ironically it would have been the

852
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,760
the 50th anniversary at the same time of

853
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,560
the roswell incident so roswell happened

854
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,280
50 years later and we know and many of

855
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,359
the the people tuning in are probably

856
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,520
well familiar with the scrutiny that's

857
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,320
gone in to the roswell investigation

858
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,000
even on an official level and all the

859
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,000
different explanations that have been

860
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,040
considered and uh and so the level of

861
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,200
ridicule is very real when it comes to

862
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,839
investigating these types of cases and

863
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,800
also in 97 you had the phoenix lights

864
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,079
incident which a lot of people still

865
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:39,680
find to be very

866
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:43,280
um very much a prevalent case in ufology

867
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,000
so

868
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,680
at the 100th anniversary marker

869
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,119
not only was

870
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,800
jim mars still very interested in

871
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,040
pursuing this case but a number of other

872
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,839
investigators took the time to

873
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:58,720
look into it and produce some early

874
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,839
documentaries and work that showed that

875
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,599
there could be some

876
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,200
leads to follow up with people

877
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:07,920
describing having bits of the metal

878
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:10,960
still finding parts of metal embedded in

879
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,599
trees and things and so in the following

880
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,800
years

881
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,280
the history channel actually came out

882
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,160
and began an investigation

883
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,720
it was a few years after the 100th

884
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,720
anniversary and in an attempt to also

885
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,320
commemorate that they tried to get

886
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,560
access to the property in which the

887
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,320
crash was said to have happened where

888
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,320
the windmill would have been where the

889
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,280
well actually is and is still today

890
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,760
when the history channel originally came

891
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,320
onto the property they were not granted

892
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,560
access to the well but a few years later

893
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,720
on another show that they had going the

894
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,520
ufo hunters they did get access and so

895
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,760
they tried to find what they could

896
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,760
by unsealing the well

897
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,720
which the oats family had been using for

898
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,240
decades earlier

899
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,320
but they had since sealed it up and so

900
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,079
they removed the well house they removed

901
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,760
the seal they sent pat usgert one of the

902
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,599
hosts on the ufo hunters down there to

903
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:08,400
ascertain the fate of that mystery medal

904
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,200
um

905
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:11,119
to which unfortunately he did not find

906
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,920
any

907
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,680
other than a snake which had sort of

908
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,440
fallen in um

909
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,760
they didn't really find any substantial

910
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,400
metal in the well but they did go over

911
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,760
down the street

912
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,280
literally not even a mile away to the

913
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,680
cemetery and do some ground penetrating

914
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,800
radar

915
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,640
over the gravesite

916
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,720
not only did they find what seemed to be

917
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,560
metallic alloy

918
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,280
probably at some point in a molten state

919
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,280
hardened and embedded in the ground and

920
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,000
in the trees nearby but they found what

921
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,800
was uh some kind of indication of a

922
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,440
small child-sized grave

923
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,079
at the location of the gravesite and so

924
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,839
while they weren't able to really

925
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,000
figure out what the contents of that

926
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,560
container or grave might have been they

927
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,400
did seem to think that there was good

928
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,440
indication that something was down there

929
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,200
and so because of that that's probably

930
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,319
the best credence given to that there

931
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,480
being something having had happened or

932
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,440
maybe an explosion of some sort and that

933
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,680
there is still maybe good reason to look

934
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,680
into this historic case

935
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,520
i think that if you look into what's

936
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,599
gone on in more recent years you know

937
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,400
going throughout the uh more recent last

938
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,920
decade actually

939
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,160
um in the time frame in which i was more

940
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,480
readily involved and my my buddy jim

941
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,640
took me out to the side on a number of

942
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,319
times we got to the point where we said

943
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,400
let's approach the city and see if we

944
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:35,200
can commemorate this historical event

945
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,000
with

946
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,680
a conference that the city might be able

947
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:39,760
to take part in as well to acknowledge

948
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,280
at an official capacity so we did that

949
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,920
um and i'm so glad that jim got to take

950
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,359
part in that because unfortunately he

951
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,520
passed away a year later but as you can

952
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,920
see here he is holding up this paper

953
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,640
right here that has the aurora story

954
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,560
within the very center

955
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:58,640
and we got to share

956
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,839
this type of uh you know celebrated uh

957
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,480
event with about 400 people at the

958
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,079
building's capacity and one of the only

959
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,440
buildings that could house that many

960
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,560
people

961
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,800
and host this wonderful event that we

962
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,880
did back in 2016

963
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,119
to really try to bring forward anyone

964
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,640
from the woodwork that had any

965
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,160
information about this which we got

966
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,280
quite a few

967
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,960
some people said you know what i

968
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,960
remember seeing that mystery medal so

969
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,560
and so had it down the street in a

970
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,560
shoebox i remember having it here i

971
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,480
remember my the alzheimer's would tell

972
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,240
us about it so

973
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,400
working with the city at that time

974
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,200
it was still very divided even all these

975
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,880
years later and people who lived out

976
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,000
there

977
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,160
out in the country pretty much are

978
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,319
living out there probably because either

979
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,079
their family had been there forever or

980
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,839
they went out to get away from the noise

981
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,240
of the city and to be bothered by people

982
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,680
otherwise who wanted to know about the

983
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,520
alien in that grave or that spaceship

984
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,359
crash and all these things

985
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,119
so the challenge was finding anyone who

986
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,800
was really interested in opening up

987
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,240
about it who had

988
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,000
not only been sincere but maybe some

989
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,000
kind of way to corroborate any of these

990
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,760
incredible claims

991
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,560
so as you can see here this that is a

992
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,240
picture of the original

993
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,839
crash site where the windmill would have

994
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,119
been where the well house water tower

995
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,720
and the well

996
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,319
is today the well's about the only

997
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,839
remaining thing

998
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,240
we held the event and it was enough for

999
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,000
the city to generate

1000
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,560
um a little bit of uh interest and

1001
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,720
funding by way of

1002
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,319
uh the historical

1003
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,680
society there

1004
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,079
to put together a city monument

1005
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,640
that has the new stylized city logo

1006
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,200
which has a um not a cigar-shaped object

1007
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,760
but a flying saucer and a windmill

1008
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,359
um and the thing is that historically

1009
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,680
speaking it might not have actually been

1010
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,480
a windmill as we think in our standard

1011
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,599
today but more like a windlass or a

1012
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,040
um

1013
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,560
a derrick which would have been like a

1014
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,440
tower that worked with a sump um to help

1015
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,920
generate uh water current for the well

1016
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,720
now

1017
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,560
because of the iconography of the flying

1018
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,560
saucer in a windmill it's easier for

1019
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,560
people to recognize it so they have this

1020
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,079
uh at the

1021
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,800
uh foothold the basin of this

1022
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,880
uh crash site they have the monument and

1023
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,359
they have a downed spaceship with a

1024
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,560
mock-up windmill and a little alien and

1025
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,720
and so they had a little dummy there at

1026
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,760
city hall which uh the city admin having

1027
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,839
been a local growing up there one of the

1028
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,160
old timers names was ned so she has this

1029
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,240
little dummy alien he was sort of the

1030
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,359
mascot there who we called ned and she

1031
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,200
was generous enough to let me

1032
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,520
wheel him around and take him on tour so

1033
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,200
to speak and so ned got a lot of

1034
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,119
notoriety a lot of events

1035
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,119
um he was a lot of fun i took him to a

1036
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,520
lot of different things like alien khan

1037
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,720
and area 51 and just everywhere

1038
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,160
and he was the

1039
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,000
you know highlight of the show here he

1040
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,920
is at his own grave on one of the

1041
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,760
anniversaries and of course he's in a

1042
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,000
wheelchair because he was in a bad wreck

1043
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,160
so you know it only makes sense that you

1044
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,319
know he's uh you know situated like that

1045
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,880
but the fun thing was is that it it gave

1046
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,680
some uh you know way for people to to

1047
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,119
see a face

1048
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,359
uh to the name of the town because

1049
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,640
that's again people would always say you

1050
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,319
know i heard about that alien grave or i

1051
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,560
heard about that windmill ufo crash or

1052
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,720
something so people throughout the years

1053
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,400
knew bits and pieces but maybe not the

1054
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,720
whole story and so now

1055
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,280
in more recent times uh the city

1056
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,119
we tried to do another event it really

1057
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,560
just didn't happen there had been a lot

1058
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,359
of

1059
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,760
uh conflict in the city about the whole

1060
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,400
thing even now and uh because of that we

1061
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,000
weren't able to do another city event

1062
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,359
but i had held uh meetups and tours

1063
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,400
uh in the last several years that got a

1064
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,319
lot of attention as well we had about a

1065
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,839
hundred people show up for some of these

1066
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,079
meetups and in doing so

1067
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,319
one of the one of the the guests that we

1068
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:50,079
had come out was a lawyer from dallas

1069
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,800
who

1070
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,440
offered a reward for the original

1071
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,400
headstone or any whereabouts of it um

1072
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,760
and it started out as being like a

1073
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,280
thousand dollar reward and it went up to

1074
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,359
like 2500 now i think it's like at five

1075
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,520
thousand dollars so that's a very real

1076
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,119
thing for anyone i don't know that it's

1077
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,880
actually going to come up but if anyone

1078
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,920
has

1079
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,160
any information about the original

1080
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,680
headstone which i've had someone tell me

1081
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,440
that they know where it is

1082
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,960
um so variable could be out there

1083
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,880
whether it was real or not

1084
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,720
and as you can see here we are at that

1085
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,480
monument there at the foothold of the

1086
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,839
crash site

1087
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,480
and it's right off the highway uh which

1088
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,880
is highway 114

1089
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,839
and so

1090
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,680
because of that interest the city threw

1091
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:31,280
together a little what they called a

1092
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,359
party patio which they dubbed area 114

1093
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,400
and so

1094
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,240
to have some fun with it because this

1095
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,240
the city is such a small little place

1096
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,160
they don't really have any commerce or

1097
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,640
much industry at all they threw together

1098
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,560
some little businesses one of them was

1099
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,640
called martian margaritas and another

1100
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:51,119
was smoking windmill barbecue they're on

1101
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,640
this party patio where they would have

1102
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,640
live music and a bunch of cool things

1103
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,000
they even came up with uh uh their own

1104
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,000
brood ale called the alien ale and uh it

1105
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:04,079
was a limited run there's not any more

1106
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,960
ever

1107
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,960
um and unfortunately getting into the

1108
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,440
last literally the last year

1109
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,640
um i went up there with uh a news team

1110
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,319
that was interested in doing a story

1111
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,319
because of at the time what would have

1112
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,520
been the upcoming uh report

1113
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,720
on the uap issue within the government

1114
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,040
and the transparency being provided by

1115
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,599
what was going to be come to be known as

1116
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,839
the uh the preliminary assessment right

1117
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,079
which talks about the uap task force and

1118
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,000
all of this stuff which now is still

1119
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,240
actually um underway and is doing a lot

1120
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,480
now we went up there at the time and

1121
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,920
everything seemed fine i actually saw

1122
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,480
the city admin up there a month later i

1123
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,680
found out that the city hall burnt down

1124
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,280
that unfortunately there had been a lot

1125
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:49,200
of um

1126
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,920
uh huge fraud and and thefts monetarily

1127
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,319
in the city from

1128
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,520
from the city administration and that

1129
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,920
unfortunately it seems like ned

1130
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,240
burned down with the city hall

1131
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,800
and that property the area 114 party

1132
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,800
patio has now been acquired by the

1133
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,760
county

1134
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,920
and likely to be auctioned off um and

1135
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,839
it's such a weird tragic twist to the

1136
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,200
whole thing

1137
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,640
because the city admin was a big

1138
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,640
proponent of the story and getting the

1139
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,400
the knowledge out there and just to be

1140
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,160
able to kind of help us with the event

1141
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,880
was really cool um stealing

1142
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,040
uh possibly a million or more dollars is

1143
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,760
not very cool and a lot of people don't

1144
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,319
think so either um and so now that

1145
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,160
unfortunately hopefully doesn't

1146
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,680
overshadow the

1147
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,240
fun legend that is the story of this

1148
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,200
aurora crash but i think that what's

1149
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,040
happened in more recent times and i was

1150
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:45,280
there on the anniversary back in april

1151
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,359
to do um a live stream feed of the site

1152
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,160
and

1153
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,520
going over to the gravesite doing a

1154
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,920
little bit of metal detecting over the

1155
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,400
grave and getting some pings of what

1156
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,920
very well could be some of that mystery

1157
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:58,800
metal

1158
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,160
and alien body so i think that while

1159
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,520
there may be something there in the

1160
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,760
grave i don't really know what it is and

1161
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,960
while the whole thing may have been

1162
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,800
concocted as a hoax to drive in tourism

1163
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,480
to the town it very well could have been

1164
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,400
something that

1165
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:14,960
actually happened to be a very real

1166
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,000
crash case from the 1890s and what's

1167
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,839
really interesting is that jim mars

1168
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,400
thought it was as he said and in that

1169
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,040
conference the smoking gun of ufos and

1170
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,960
i'd like to think that that very well is

1171
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,079
the case but

1172
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,839
i'm not too sure and i'd like to say

1173
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:31,280
that there could be some other ways to

1174
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,319
follow up

1175
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,319
there's the city logo it's still there i

1176
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,000
hope that the city doesn't tear that

1177
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,880
down because of this recent mishap with

1178
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,119
mismanagement but

1179
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,280
my efforts to chronicle the history of

1180
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,319
this are within this publication that

1181
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,720
i've been working on and i'd like to

1182
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,440
share that it's not just showcasing one

1183
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,839
side to say believe it it happened but

1184
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,280
also show that there have been many

1185
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,200
detractors a lot of people have been

1186
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,880
very dismissive of the whole thing from

1187
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,160
the beginning and i think there's good

1188
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,920
reason for that because we have to have

1189
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:03,920
a degree of skepticism when it comes to

1190
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,119
very sensational stories that otherwise

1191
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:09,200
you know sound wonderful sound amazing

1192
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,920
but

1193
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,680
aren't necessarily to be i think taken

1194
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,680
at face value because as an investigator

1195
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,000
and as a researcher and reporter we need

1196
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,960
to do better than just to go with or

1197
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,119
take the word for or do whatever you

1198
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,040
know just based on uh something that

1199
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,839
sounds fun or good or believable but

1200
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,680
maybe there are ways to still cooperate

1201
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,440
based upon

1202
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,760
not just the historical testimony

1203
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,960
not just the

1204
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,960
uh trace evidence of metal embedded

1205
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:37,440
within the crash site not just the

1206
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,839
uh the allegations of the effects by the

1207
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,400
the poisoned or affected water

1208
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,640
from the brawlies uh or the oats family

1209
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,960
broly oats specifically um the

1210
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,040
cooperation of what the city admin said

1211
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,119
was recorded in the minutes of the

1212
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,920
masons of the local lodge i think that

1213
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,280
there are a lot of contributing factors

1214
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:59,040
that if you took into a court of law you

1215
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,720
could put before a

1216
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,880
a jury and say

1217
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,800
this is a pretty convincing case but

1218
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,160
that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll

1219
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,280
hold up in a a laboratory setting that's

1220
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,280
uh demonstrable so

1221
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,880
some of the metal has been tested over

1222
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,319
the years they found high traces of

1223
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,480
aluminum and zinc which were not

1224
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,440
uh widely available in the 1890s that's

1225
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,119
curious to say the least and if there's

1226
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,040
anything left in that grave would it

1227
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,720
still be testable today i think that

1228
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,119
there could be some non-invasive ways to

1229
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,960
try to figure that out and i'm very

1230
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,880
interested in that it's helped to

1231
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:33,440
springboard my interest in anthropology

1232
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,119
and archaeology and this sort of

1233
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,640
new study of what we can refer to as

1234
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,280
zinology coming out of the fringe of

1235
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,640
science fiction into more of the

1236
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,280
forefront of actual science you know so

1237
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,960
i think that it's really cool to see

1238
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,640
that as you can see here on this

1239
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,400
historical marker it talks about it says

1240
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,400
this site is also well known because of

1241
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,880
the legend that a spaceship crashed

1242
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,599
nearby in 1897 and the pilot killed in

1243
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,160
the crash was buried here that's right

1244
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,480
there at the rohr cemetery

1245
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,240
anyone can go see it at any time and i

1246
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,680
think that's super cool because it's the

1247
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,480
only historical marker probably um that

1248
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,240
says something about this in this kind

1249
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,000
of context now there are other stories

1250
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,480
that relate to this sort of situation

1251
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,720
the cape girard and these other types of

1252
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,559
alien encounters but

1253
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,880
with how far this predates everything

1254
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,520
and not to mention the curious notion of

1255
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,480
the roswell debris being taken pretty

1256
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,640
much right over into this area of fort

1257
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:31,040
worth n47

1258
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,559
i find that really an interesting

1259
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,839
connection over

1260
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,160
you know half a century later you have

1261
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,480
another probably the best

1262
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,640
well-known most popular

1263
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,200
ufo and crash case of all of history

1264
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,200
roswell

1265
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,640
to be associated with this aurora story

1266
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,520
because of the proximity of the location

1267
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,920
of which the roswell debris was taken

1268
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,240
before probably uh also being taken up

1269
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,319
to wright patterson and dayton ohio so a

1270
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,000
lot of interesting connections here

1271
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,440
there's so much i think we would still

1272
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,000
learn about what we're looking for by

1273
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,040
way of evidence when it comes to modern

1274
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,040
ufology and our understanding of what

1275
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,960
we're now calling uap in all of these

1276
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,800
things we're trying to find hard

1277
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,559
evidence of mystery metals we're trying

1278
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,800
to find more than just anomalous objects

1279
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,400
in the sky we're trying to understand

1280
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,960
occupants or the intelligence behind

1281
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,760
these

1282
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,839
uh objects and we're trying to find

1283
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,760
maybe a way of communication which

1284
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,480
obviously you know is going to be a a

1285
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,880
really groundbreaking thing for us to

1286
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,400
even come across

1287
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,319
and we're trying to also figure out how

1288
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,079
it relates to our own

1289
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,720
uh history of humanity with all of these

1290
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,119
things we see that embedded within this

1291
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,800
legend and i like to call it a legend

1292
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,319
because essentially that's what it is we

1293
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,160
see all of these different aspects

1294
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,480
embedded within the legend of aurora and

1295
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,640
i find that fascinating so

1296
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,319
that there you have it that's the story

1297
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,119
of the aurora 1897

1298
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,960
case that i think you know has still

1299
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,480
stood the test of time i'm very

1300
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,079
fascinated with it i live nearby and

1301
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,000
it's a fun place to be able to go to see

1302
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,359
the historical marker to see the

1303
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,119
monument and maybe to see if there's

1304
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,640
something that we can still learn that

1305
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,960
can help us with what we're dealing with

1306
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,520
in this uh modern you know outlook that

1307
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,839
we have

1308
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,920
now uh yeah i want to thank nancy

1309
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:18,240
malcolm in peace for their donations is

1310
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,309
how much how much fact you think is

1311
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,240
involved with the so-called legend do

1312
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,680
you think there there really was

1313
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,359
something that happened

1314
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,000
it may not be exactly what

1315
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,319
this the story is but uh

1316
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:38,160
do you think there is a possibility that

1317
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,230
i think that the the weight of the

1318
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:48,400
evidence would indicate that something

1319
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,760
did happen

1320
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,760
in the form of

1321
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,040
metallic

1322
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,720
dispersion

1323
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,559
what i mean specifically by that is that

1324
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,280
the the the investigations that not only

1325
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,200
i have done the minimal work that i've

1326
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,480
done in the field but on the mountains

1327
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,920
uh of of evidence and anecdotes

1328
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,960
discovered by jim mars by john schussler

1329
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,760
by mufon by the international ufo bureau

1330
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,920
by other independent investigators that

1331
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,599
that show

1332
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,119
that not only had there been significant

1333
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,400
eyewitness testimony and an allegation

1334
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,280
as far as something having occurred

1335
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,079
that would indicate an aerial object

1336
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,200
aerial objects one

1337
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,240
crash would be the second

1338
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,480
a collection of debris would be the

1339
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,240
third thing

1340
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,880
uh the the eyewitness testimony for a

1341
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,400
body is very

1342
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,480
difficult to track down but you do have

1343
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
testimony about people moving graves and

1344
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,280
burial so that definitely is the case

1345
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,880
that we did find something in the

1346
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,400
gravesite whether there's an alien or

1347
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,160
not we don't know

1348
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,760
someone might but i don't know that we

1349
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,200
do but there definitely seemed to be the

1350
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,960
ground penetrating radar that indicated

1351
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,200
something in the grave you do have this

1352
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,200
recorded in the minutes of the masons

1353
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,880
and the local masonic lodge that's at

1354
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,599
least five good valid points that i

1355
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,680
would say could sit again in a court of

1356
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,079
law and and be outweighed with

1357
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,319
uh the the other issue of it having been

1358
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:18,880
a hoax i think that something could be

1359
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:23,040
shown that uh like you said if if it's

1360
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:24,079
factual

1361
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,880
then

1362
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,520
it's hard to really debate that there

1363
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,520
wasn't a well for instance when we know

1364
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,880
that there is

1365
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,480
some people debated that

1366
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,880
judge proctor never had a will but they

1367
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,760
but

1368
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,520
recent investigations found that there

1369
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,319
was a base for uh or a windmill i should

1370
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,160
say some people say that judge proctor

1371
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,160
never had a windmill well we know that

1372
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,559
that isn't really the case because they

1373
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,000
found the base for what would have been

1374
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,559
a well uh or a windmill connected to a

1375
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,920
well house

1376
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,599
so these are facts

1377
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:55,920
um and then we know that there was a

1378
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,040
grave site with an unknown marker

1379
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,680
for something that's a fact what's in

1380
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,520
the grave

1381
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,000
it could be an alien if i said an alien

1382
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,240
is in the grave i don't know that that's

1383
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,000
a fact but we do know that something's

1384
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,000
down there um i would say that the

1385
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:13,920
discovery of

1386
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,920
of of molten or uh hardened

1387
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,319
alloy embedded in the ground and in the

1388
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,559
trees that's a fact

1389
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,799
discovering a high concentration of

1390
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:27,119
aluminum in this metal that's also a

1391
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:28,000
fact

1392
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,960
um

1393
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,480
to show that

1394
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,720
the proximity in which

1395
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:34,240
the

1396
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:40,559
roswell

1397
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,359
taken extremely nearby

1398
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,079
aurora to the cars wheel

1399
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,160
carswell army airfield

1400
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:51,520
that's a fact

1401
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,480
um

1402
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,920
and whether there's any strong

1403
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,160
correlation or not not to really just

1404
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,079
seek out confirmation bias with anything

1405
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,799
i i try to find also ways to to throw

1406
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,720
this all out and say it very well could

1407
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,040
have been a hoax um was there an aurora

1408
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,319
newspaper

1409
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,000
that's really hard to track down even

1410
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,839
looking into the historical directors

1411
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,640
there's little to go off of um

1412
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:14,480
is there are there people who were alive

1413
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,760
at the time who claimed that it did

1414
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,599
happen yes that is a fact are there

1415
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,040
people who were alive at the time who

1416
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,040
claimed it did not happen yes that is

1417
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,200
also a fact that has been documented

1418
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,280
that's an historical record

1419
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:26,880
these things can be

1420
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,160
shown to i think uh sway opinion and

1421
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,480
that's what i'm trying to not really do

1422
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:35,119
i'm not really trying to say

1423
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,000
uh

1424
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,280
you know as many people might to say now

1425
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,880
it's up to you to make up your mind

1426
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,240
whether it happened or not i don't think

1427
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,160
that it it works that way i mean if it

1428
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,760
happened didn't happen if it didn't it

1429
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,839
didn't whether you wanted to or not

1430
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:49,920
obviously not you lon or your listeners

1431
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,559
but anyone i think who kind of gives the

1432
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,400
impression that here's the evidence now

1433
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,319
make up your mind

1434
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,160
that's kind of how a jury works

1435
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,599
unfortunately it's not the same as a

1436
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,359
scientific method

1437
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,440
um and i think that that's really where

1438
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,520
we're challenged is that people say this

1439
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,920
is the real deal oh i believe it i know

1440
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:10,000
what happens some people they they do

1441
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:10,960
um

1442
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,760
more metaphysically oriented practices

1443
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,680
in an attempt to gain information who

1444
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,599
claim that this is the real deal some

1445
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,839
people say that no there's no indication

1446
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,200
that because of the

1447
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:22,799
you know the ways that we can document

1448
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,839
and corroborate stories and claims

1449
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,000
that it shows that this didn't happen so

1450
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,400
i think that unfortunately it's still

1451
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,079
very divided

1452
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,359
um halfway down and i'd like to really

1453
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,400
say that

1454
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,599
with what all we can find and until

1455
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,920
maybe there's a better way to ascertain

1456
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,160
information it'll continue to be a

1457
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,760
legend and i'm not trying to sway

1458
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,520
people's opinion either way because

1459
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,599
that's not going to change the fact that

1460
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,440
whether you believe it or not is going

1461
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,160
to make it having uh you know any more

1462
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,839
evidence or not i think that we just

1463
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,680
have to make sure that however we're

1464
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,079
going about investigating this case

1465
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,119
has to be done from a neutral unbiased

1466
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,520
standpoint and hey as much as i like it

1467
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,440
as much as i have all the memorabilia

1468
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,440
that i can about this

1469
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,920
there's so many books about it um you

1470
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,200
know there are so many different fun

1471
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,440
things about it i think it's awesome i

1472
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,680
like to encourage that but i also have

1473
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:20,000
to keep that in check with my own

1474
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,680
outlook by saying

1475
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,040
you know we have to be reasonable about

1476
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,599
this there's no reason we should just

1477
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,440
outright believe it again at face value

1478
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,799
but we need to make sure we're doing

1479
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,960
what we can as as researchers as

1480
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,200
investigators and using our discernment

1481
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,520
to make sense of these extraordinary

1482
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,359
claims and as carl sagan said you know

1483
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,880
extraordinary claims require

1484
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,720
extraordinary evidence that's the sagan

1485
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,920
standard and

1486
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,680
you know he was a proponent of

1487
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,480
extraterrestrial life more than probably

1488
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,240
most people in the scientific community

1489
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,000
is definitely the probably the biggest

1490
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,480
proponent and popularizer of these ideas

1491
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,559
even though people are dismissive of him

1492
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,960
and say he was a you know he just

1493
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,480
pooh-poohed it all and all this i think

1494
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,960
that you know okay sure but he made a

1495
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,799
lot of valid points too

1496
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,400
i think that it's important to consider

1497
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,720
that while there's a lot of uh

1498
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:08,559
dismissing of this

1499
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,160
case as just historical hoaxing

1500
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,960
that's an important part to play in the

1501
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,640
overall history which i'm just trying to

1502
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,640
show that there is a great deal of

1503
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,559
history however you look at it so i'd

1504
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,480
say that there are hard facts

1505
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,240
but anyone that tells you

1506
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,559
that they know for certain that there's

1507
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,040
something down there um i would be wary

1508
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,440
of that and you know i like to entertain

1509
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:33,520
ideas and be open-minded about things

1510
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,720
but

1511
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,559
probably admittedly being probably the

1512
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,240
closest person to this case at this

1513
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,040
point with uh the involvement that i

1514
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:43,599
have and and sort of inheriting much of

1515
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,799
jim's work my my buddy the late jim mars

1516
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:48,319
i really miss him i think about him all

1517
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,200
the time

1518
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,240
i'm glad to see the work that he did uh

1519
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,559
helped to contribute and was meaningful

1520
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,040
enough to make sense of the things that

1521
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,520
i think we can still use today he was he

1522
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,880
had a lot of integrity when it came to

1523
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,440
investigating otherwise very challenging

1524
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,040
situations

1525
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,720
not even ufos but all kinds of things

1526
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:08,480
and i'm glad to see that he was

1527
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,520
interested

1528
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,680
but not only that he lived nearby and so

1529
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,359
we got to go on several occasions i

1530
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,559
think that there's still something we

1531
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,040
can learn about this case so they're

1532
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,960
definitely facts they're definitely

1533
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,119
sensationalized claims um and there's

1534
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,960
definitely some fun to be had in it too

1535
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,880
i think it's okay to see it in all of

1536
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,359
those ways

1537
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,280
well i tell you i hope you do get more

1538
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,799
information

1539
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:31,680
uh

1540
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,760
that where you can actually get some

1541
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,079
more evidence and uh

1542
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,240
even though it may be anecdotal i i hope

1543
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,720
you you do find out more and add to the

1544
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,760
story

1545
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,880
um

1546
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,400
how about telling the folks how they get

1547
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,359
in contact with you and uh you know any

1548
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:50,079
other things you want to tell about your

1549
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,910
yeah uh sure i am really uh you know

1550
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,280
interested in a number of different

1551
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,599
subjects and and areas of interest and

1552
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:04,000
study that i find

1553
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,680
you know if i can get out in the field

1554
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,599
if i can connect with people like you

1555
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,839
guys and and really just figure out

1556
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,000
what's going on and make the little bit

1557
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,000
of contribution that i can into this

1558
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:16,079
meaningful work um i do a lot of that

1559
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,920
through my media through my video

1560
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,599
interviews through my on location

1561
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:22,480
segments and full presentation

1562
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:23,440
um

1563
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,240
format on the youtube channel the vortex

1564
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,079
as you can see here that's again you can

1565
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,039
just find on youtube and i have a lot of

1566
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,680
ways to get a hold of me on social media

1567
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,760
facebook instagram twitter things like

1568
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,079
that um i'm always interested in finding

1569
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,680
out anything i can about the aurora

1570
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,200
story

1571
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,839
wherever or however it's been

1572
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,240
embedded in any newspaper in any

1573
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:49,039
magazine and any news article

1574
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,039
and any video any show podcast anything

1575
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,680
here we are at the 125th anniversary

1576
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,520
earlier this year right there at the

1577
01:03:02,950 --> 01:02:59,680
cemetery um i'm interested in hearing

1578
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,960
people's thoughts their theories to also

1579
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,039
include in this work because again it's

1580
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,160
a chronology i am just chronicling all

1581
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,240
the ways that this story has been shown

1582
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,960
to be of interest um in any form of

1583
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,039
media and obviously

1584
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,160
that has uh become more and more

1585
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,039
exponential in the last decade i mean we

1586
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:23,359
we had a great time

1587
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:24,400
in

1588
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,599
and so it's more widespread than ever

1589
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,280
and so i'm trying to do what i can to

1590
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,319
include every way that that's been

1591
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,880
shared and embedded into pop culture and

1592
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:44,960
everything and even shows like this and

1593
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,920
this one specifically will be included

1594
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,920
in that publication so you know i think

1595
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,280
that for anyone who's interested in

1596
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,799
continuing the discussion

1597
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:54,960
i'm very accessible and very easy to get

1598
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,119
a hold of there's the artwork i threw

1599
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,640
together as i mentioned at the beginning

1600
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,119
uh very much inspired by the the realism

1601
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,920
of the artwork of sam sheeran and

1602
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:05,359
and many others that i think are a lot

1603
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,480
of fun so it's supposed to be very

1604
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,480
dramatic you can see the crashing of the

1605
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,720
cylindrical cigar-shaped object into the

1606
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:12,960
windmill with the water tower and the

1607
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:15,920
well there's ned the alien in pieces

1608
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,480
he's exploding you can see his papers

1609
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,400
with the strange writings

1610
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,079
and you know i just wanted to make it a

1611
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,799
very dramatic over-the-top depiction um

1612
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,000
you know because to me that's that's

1613
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,000
cool i like artwork it's fun but it's

1614
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,760
also sort of uh you know just supposed

1615
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:31,760
to be based upon

1616
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,240
the claims within the legend itself so

1617
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,480
i'd be glad to connect with anyone on

1618
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,839
whatever it is that they're interested

1619
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,559
in i have a lot of other areas that i

1620
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,640
try to focus on as well just like you

1621
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:43,920
guys cover a number of interesting

1622
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,000
topics i do what i can to kind of keep

1623
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:48,079
up with all of that too and i'm involved

1624
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,599
with a lot of events and i think it's a

1625
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:51,200
great way for people to connect together

1626
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,599
with other like-minded people to network

1627
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,280
to share their thoughts and you know you

1628
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:56,960
guys are doing a great job of providing

1629
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,200
a supportive network for people to share

1630
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,200
otherwise extremely what most people

1631
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,200
would call like a bizarre encounter of

1632
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,400
some sort so i'm thankful that you uh

1633
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:08,960
you lon and uh vincent and you know

1634
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,359
everyone that's a part of the team here

1635
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:13,839
listening and just being able to kind of

1636
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:16,799
keep this going in a way that i think uh

1637
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,119
is a great job and so i definitely

1638
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,640
commend you guys for keeping up the good

1639
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,640
work and uh you know i hope to be able

1640
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:24,480
to just continue to do the little that i

1641
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,359
can

1642
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:27,920
um to you know be involved in and so i'm

1643
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:30,559
just uh i'm i'm glad to to be around and

1644
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,599
you know it's just it's always a good

1645
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,920
time so really appreciate your uh

1646
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,400
inviting me onto the show

1647
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:38,000
well daniel's great having you on here

1648
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,440
and i appreciate you coming on and

1649
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,599
telling us about this legend

1650
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:43,760
and uh we'll have to have you come back

1651
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,960
again uh and see if you

1652
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:48,640
uh talk about some of your other

1653
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:52,079
adventures and uh investigations

1654
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,440
and uh

1655
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:55,599
yeah so you have a good weekend and

1656
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,549
sounds great same with you guys and

1657
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:05,760
we'll see you

1658
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,309
uh now if you have an unexplained

1659
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:15,760
encounter or something feel free to

1660
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contact me through the phantoms of

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monsters blog site

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and i want to again thank uh daniel

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allen jones for joining me this evening

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and thanks to each and all of you for

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watching and chatting if you made a

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super chat donation it's very much

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appreciated your support is what makes

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this all possible so please like

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subscribe

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and share

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uh if you have a sighting or encounter a

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report that you'd like to be considered

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for the personal report show

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or uh post to the fans a monster feel

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free to forward to me at lawn strickland

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fans of monsters dot com so

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next week

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we will present a dog man upright canine

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round table

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uh we're still working on the guest list

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but be assured it's going to be an

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interesting conversation

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so uh make sure to join us next friday

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and until then stay healthy and have a

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[Music]

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so